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		<title>By: antonymarcano.com &#187; Old Favourite: Taking Repetition To Task</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonymarcano.com &#187; Old Favourite: Taking Repetition To Task</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] only with working software? Surely it makes more sense to measure progress with passing tests (or &#8220;checks&#8221; &#8211; whichever you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: antonymarcano.com &#187; Taking repetition to task</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonymarcano.com &#187; Taking repetition to task</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Michael...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Is it wise to do &quot;the testing&quot; by &quot;writing checks&quot; by the same developer as the one creating the code?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As usual, there isn&#039;t an absolute answer here.  Here are some things that I might consider:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Is there only one programmer?&lt;br /&gt;2. Could the programmer pair with another programmer?&lt;br /&gt;3. Could the programmer pair with someone other than a programmer?&lt;br /&gt;4. Is the programmer experienced at writing checks?&lt;br /&gt;5. Is the programmer sloppy, hygenic, or obsessive-compulsive about his checks?&lt;br /&gt;6. Is there reason to believe that the programmer needs help with doing this?&lt;br /&gt;7. Is this a new or risky part of the code?&lt;br /&gt;8. Are there already a bunch of checks for this code, written by this programmer?&lt;br /&gt;9. Are there already a bunch of checks for this code, written by another programmer?&lt;br /&gt;10. Is this code a total prototype, or is there a chance that it&#039;s heading for production?&lt;br /&gt;11. Does the programmer appreciate help, or does he feel neutral, or does he reject it?  Why?&lt;br /&gt;12. Is the programmer going to be evaluated based on the checks?  If so, how?  How might the evaluation distort our bigger goals?&lt;br /&gt;13. Does the initiative to check come from the programmer, his colleagues, his manager, or someone else?  How might the mandate support or distort matters?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;---Michael B.</description>
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<p><i>Is it wise to do &quot;the testing&quot; by &quot;writing checks&quot; by the same developer as the one creating the code?</i></p>
<p>As usual, there isn&#39;t an absolute answer here.  Here are some things that I might consider:</p>
<p>1. Is there only one programmer?<br />2. Could the programmer pair with another programmer?<br />3. Could the programmer pair with someone other than a programmer?<br />4. Is the programmer experienced at writing checks?<br />5. Is the programmer sloppy, hygenic, or obsessive-compulsive about his checks?<br />6. Is there reason to believe that the programmer needs help with doing this?<br />7. Is this a new or risky part of the code?<br />8. Are there already a bunch of checks for this code, written by this programmer?<br />9. Are there already a bunch of checks for this code, written by another programmer?<br />10. Is this code a total prototype, or is there a chance that it&#39;s heading for production?<br />11. Does the programmer appreciate help, or does he feel neutral, or does he reject it?  Why?<br />12. Is the programmer going to be evaluated based on the checks?  If so, how?  How might the evaluation distort our bigger goals?<br />13. Does the initiative to check come from the programmer, his colleagues, his manager, or someone else?  How might the mandate support or distort matters?</p>
<p>&#8212;Michael B.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel Kraaij</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel Kraaij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, last week the same question was going through my mind, after i read the previous topic in this series... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the reply to Joe, James says:&lt;br /&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;Strictly speaking you are &quot;doing testing&quot; by &quot;writing checks&quot;, but not actually &quot;writing tests.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&quot;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am still pondering about the following:&lt;br /&gt;Is it wise to do &quot;the testing&quot; by &quot;writing checks&quot; by the same developer as the one creating the code? (and possibly risk tunnel visioning?). When you seperate these two steps, the actual checking (on running code) could be expanded with &quot;testing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, last week the same question was going through my mind, after i read the previous topic in this series&#8230; </p>
<p>In the reply to Joe, James says:<br />&quot;<i>Strictly speaking you are &quot;doing testing&quot; by &quot;writing checks&quot;, but not actually &quot;writing tests.&quot;</i>&quot;. </p>
<p>I am still pondering about the following:<br />Is it wise to do &quot;the testing&quot; by &quot;writing checks&quot; by the same developer as the one creating the code? (and possibly risk tunnel visioning?). When you seperate these two steps, the actual checking (on running code) could be expanded with &quot;testing&quot;.</p>
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