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	<title>Comments on: More From &quot;Play As Exploratory Learning&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.developsense.com/blog/2008/03/more-from-play-as-exploratory-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous said: &lt;i&gt;Are things like Session Based Test Management a step in the direction of making the process more visible?  I like exploratory testing, but it lacks a lot of the artifacts that have become expected of a testing group as promoted by more established test methods.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anon, thanks for this comment.  I&#039;m having trouble answering it--not because I don&#039;t have an answer, but because I have so many.  It&#039;s worth a blog post of its own.  Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous said: <i>Are things like Session Based Test Management a step in the direction of making the process more visible?  I like exploratory testing, but it lacks a lot of the artifacts that have become expected of a testing group as promoted by more established test methods.</i></p>
<p>Anon, thanks for this comment.  I&#8217;m having trouble answering it&#8211;not because I don&#8217;t have an answer, but because I have so many.  It&#8217;s worth a blog post of its own.  Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.developsense.com/blog/2008/03/more-from-play-as-exploratory-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim said:  &lt;i&gt;What&#039;s interesting is I often use the word &quot;play&quot; to quickly communicate what I&#039;m doing...I think it both communicates what we&#039;re doing, and that we like our job. :)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fair enough, but I&#039;d be careful to consider the audience.  As Mary Reilly suggests, play often isn&#039;t taken seriously, even though it ought to be.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have a three-year-old daughter, and watching her play is watching her learning.  Testing is learning, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim said:  <i>What&#8217;s interesting is I often use the word &#8220;play&#8221; to quickly communicate what I&#8217;m doing&#8230;I think it both communicates what we&#8217;re doing, and that we like our job. <img src='http://www.developsense.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </i></p>
<p>Fair enough, but I&#8217;d be careful to consider the audience.  As Mary Reilly suggests, play often isn&#8217;t taken seriously, even though it ought to be.</p>
<p>I have a three-year-old daughter, and watching her play is watching her learning.  Testing is learning, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are things like Session Based Test Management a step in the direction of making the process more visible?&lt;br/&gt;I like exploratory testing, but it lacks a lot of the artifacts that have become expected of a testing group as promoted by more established test methods.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For project managers who like test plans and lots of documentation, exploratory testing would seem to be a poor fit without some education. And even then it would be a tough road.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One thing I see lacking in the testing field is that there is a lot of talk about great methods, but most of the time it assumes an environment where there is strong support for the testing function. How do you test in an environment where the rest of the engineering functions are hostile to your methods?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Luckily, I&#039;m not in such a situation now, but I left my last job because of a profound, and previously hidden, difference in testing philosophy between myself as the test lead and the project manager. The project manager felt that if bugs got through it was the testers fault, never mind the developer who wrote the bug in the first place. In his case he took the lack of traditional test documentation as a sign of a poor testing process.  Unfortunate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are things like Session Based Test Management a step in the direction of making the process more visible?<br />I like exploratory testing, but it lacks a lot of the artifacts that have become expected of a testing group as promoted by more established test methods.</p>
<p>For project managers who like test plans and lots of documentation, exploratory testing would seem to be a poor fit without some education. And even then it would be a tough road.</p>
<p>One thing I see lacking in the testing field is that there is a lot of talk about great methods, but most of the time it assumes an environment where there is strong support for the testing function. How do you test in an environment where the rest of the engineering functions are hostile to your methods?</p>
<p>Luckily, I&#8217;m not in such a situation now, but I left my last job because of a profound, and previously hidden, difference in testing philosophy between myself as the test lead and the project manager. The project manager felt that if bugs got through it was the testers fault, never mind the developer who wrote the bug in the first place. In his case he took the lack of traditional test documentation as a sign of a poor testing process.  Unfortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Coulter</title>
		<link>http://www.developsense.com/blog/2008/03/more-from-play-as-exploratory-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s interesting is I often use the word &quot;play&quot; to quickly communicate what I&#039;m doing. For instance, today, I was trying to communicate that my team would explore a certain area to see how it stands up -- my quick response was, &quot;We&#039;ll play with it and see what comes up.&quot; I use this term a lot, as I think it both communicates what we&#039;re doing, and that we like our job. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting is I often use the word &#8220;play&#8221; to quickly communicate what I&#8217;m doing. For instance, today, I was trying to communicate that my team would explore a certain area to see how it stands up &#8212; my quick response was, &#8220;We&#8217;ll play with it and see what comes up.&#8221; I use this term a lot, as I think it both communicates what we&#8217;re doing, and that we like our job. <img src='http://www.developsense.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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